Right NOW... who would you want at the HELM?

As an unbiased party, I would take Spurrier. It is hard to say specifically, because in this debate I can easily see the counter arguments to my own arguments.

Ltyjr, as to your point above, it is in some aspects harder to take over an established power than it is to build up a fledgling one. There are expectations and traditions that can not be broken. It is sometimes hard for a new coach to establish his own style.

The only thing that I think Spurrier has hands down over the Vest is Charisma. I love listening to The Ole Ball Coach speak. he plays dumb with the best of them.

That seems fair, Dew, but he is also getting them at one of the most prestigious programs in the history of College Football. Many Heismans, many all-americans, many Pro Bowlers, numerous national championships. You cannot give Tressel all the credit for the recruiting job he has done.

South Carolina has really very few of the things in those categories if any at all in some.

Tressel does do a great job recruiting, I just don't necessarily think that it is all because of him. I mean ND hasn't won in a few years and the name is still bringing in high level recruits.