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Owners decision affects contract decisions.


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Owners decision affects contract decisions.
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Since:Aug 18, 2006

May 21, 2008 10:20 am

Since the owners opted to back out of the current CBA contract, many players who are due a chance to guage their market worth via free agency might not get a chance to see that.  I Bears,1,1264730.column">read this article in the Chicago Tribune on my way to work today.  It talks about how the owners dismissal of the CBA affects talks with Devin Hester and Tommie Harris.  It also looks forward to resignings of Rex Grossman and/or Kyle Orton.

That unfathomable option—a potential Hall of Fame player being allowed to sign with another team, even for compensation—gave Hester unspoken leverage during ongoing negotiations to extend his contract.

Now it has vanished as quickly as Hester through the wedge on a kickoff return. If the 2010 season takes place without a salary cap, maybe the biggest result of Tuesday's vote, then an oft-overlooked provision written into the original agreement in 1993 extends the amount of required service for potential free agents in an uncapped year from four seasons to six.

That means Hester wouldn't be permitted to test free agency until after the 2011 season at the earliest—in essence buying the Bears two more years of highlights from Hester and more time to work out a long-term deal.

The most underpaid athlete in Chicago is scheduled to make $445,000 this season and $530,000 in 2009. He signed a four-year, $2.61 million contract in 2006 after he was the 57th overall pick in the second round. It should be filed under Hester Heist in a Halas Hall drawer.

Thoughts?


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May 21, 2008 11:21 am

I am very confused with this whole labor deal.  But if there is no cap, shouldn't it make it easier to sign your own players to long term deals?  For instance, Tommie Harris is due to become a Free Agent after this year, but he will cost a lot of money. 

If we pay him whatever he wants, it would have no effect on the other players that need to be resigned, because there would be "no limit" to the amount of money a team can spend.

If that is the case, I see no problem with resigning Brian Urlacher, because we can pay him more, and have no ill-effects for others that we need to resign.

And as far s signing other FA this year, like Shane Olivea, if we offer contracts that are structured to pay more near the end of the contract, it will have only a little effect on our cap this year, and we wouldn't have to deal with the little cap room we have left, because there will be none in 2010.

I know I must be wrong somewhere in here, so please explain it to me if I am.

-CSF


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May 21, 2008 12:55 pm
If there is no CBA now, I mean wouldn't this be a loop hole now to sign Urlacher & Harris without getting penalized with the salary cap?

Just a thought though CM & CSF ... especially with Urlacher now just to bump up the pay scale and move on.  Harris on the other hand while he does have 1 year, any contract signed during layoff of said CBA should be valid after the league and the players agree on one.  I don't know about the legality of it but if it doesn't hurt or effects the Bears over all salary cap in the future, this would be a great opportunity to lock these two up if it holds.

Hester, since his contract is still valid will work on later ...

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May 21, 2008 3:09 pm

Great question, CSF!  I was wondering the same thing.  I did a little research and found this really good piece on it from a Broncos Fan website (I know... I know...).

We are good through 2009 with the current system, and are looking at an "uncapped season" in 2010.  What the hell does that mean, anyway?  Many people think the players would love that.  Money would flow like never before and players will reap the benefits of owners who simply cannot help themselves when the competitive juices start flowing.

That might be partially true, but the League and NFLPA were smart to put in place contingencies that protect the best interests of the League from those who run it.  While there would be no salary cap, other restriction would be put in place that makes movement by players even harder than it is right now --

1.  Free Agency Requirements Raised From 4 to 6 Years -- As Peter King explains, players who usually get the right to become free agents after 4 years of service would now be required to have 6 years --

  • Currently, players who are unsigned and have finished at least four NFL seasons are free. In the 2010 market, players will be free if they are unsigned after at least their sixth NFL season. In other words, 2009 would have to be a player's sixth season, and he would have to enter 2010 unsigned.

    Let's use Cleveland wide receiver Braylon Edwards as an example. In his original rookie contract, signed in 2005, the final year is 2009, which would be his fifth NFL season. Ordinarily, he'd be a free-agent in 2010 -- if the team didn't sign him before then or place a franchise tag on him. But under the 2010 rules, he won't be a free-agent.

Pat Kirwan wrote this:

  • Let's start with the <a onclick="s_objectID="http://www.nfl.com/teams/tennesseetitans/profile?team=TEN_2";return this.s_oc?this.s_oc(e):true" href="http://www.nfl.com/teams/tennesseetitans/profile?team=TEN"> Tennessee Titans. They lost defensive ends <a onclick="s_objectID="http://www.nfl.com/players/travislaboy/profile?id=LAB705651_1";return this.s_oc?this.s_oc(e):true" href="http://www.nfl.com/players/travislaboy/profile?id=LAB705651"> Travis LaBoy (Arizona) and <a onclick="s_objectID="http://www.nfl.com/players/antwanodom/profile?id=ODO051141_1";return this.s_oc?this.s_oc(e):true" href="http://www.nfl.com/players/antwanodom/profile?id=ODO051141"> Antwan Odom (Cincinnati) as well as guard <a onclick="s_objectID="http://www.nfl.com/players/jacobbell/profile?id=BEL376590_1";return this.s_oc?this.s_oc(e):true" href="http://www.nfl.com/players/jacobbell/profile?id=BEL376590"> Jacob Bell (St. Louis). The three players signed for a combined total of $87.5 million ($32 million guaranteed). If the extension on time to free agency was in place, none of these players would have been free. All of them had just four years of service and would have remained Titans for upwards of two more years. The Titans would have probably changed their draft strategy and not gone after defensive linemen <a onclick="s_objectID="http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/jason-jones?id=1340_1";return this.s_oc?this.s_oc(e):true" href="http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/jason-jones?id=1340"> Jason Jones or <a onclick="s_objectID="http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/william-hayes?id=4483_1";return this.s_oc?this.s_oc(e):true" href="http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/william-hayes?id=4483"> William Hayes and could have taken a receiver or a corner.

    Other players that never would have seen a big payday: <a onclick="s_objectID="http://www.nfl.com/players/michaelturner/profile?id=TUR608668_1";return this.s_oc?this.s_oc(e):true" href="http://www.nfl.com/players/michaelturner/profile?id=TUR608668"> Michael Turner, who signed a $34.5 million deal ($15 million guaranteed) with Atlanta, would still be <a onclick="s_objectID="http://www.nfl.com/players/ladainiantomlinson/profile?id=TOM683150_1";return this.s_oc?this.s_oc(e):true" href="http://www.nfl.com/players/ladainiantomlinson/profile?id=TOM683150"> LaDainian Tomlinson's backup in San Diego; <a onclick="s_objectID="http://www.nfl.com/players/gibrilwilson/profile?id=WIL709677_1";return this.s_oc?this.s_oc(e):true" href="http://www.nfl.com/players/gibrilwilson/profile?id=WIL709677"> Gibril Wilson would still be a Giant; <a onclick="s_objectID="http://www.nfl.com/players/d.j.hackett/profile?id=HAC504279_1";return this.s_oc?this.s_oc(e):true" href="http://www.nfl.com/players/d.j.hackett/profile?id=HAC504279"> D.J. Hackett a Seahawk.

No way players will like being restricted for 2 extra seasons.  As it is players want contracts to be shorter and shorter in hopes of getting an extra payday during their career.

2.  Three 'Franchise'-type Tags Instead Of One -- Right now teams can designate one player each year as a "Franchise" player(average of top-5 salaries at position) or "Transition" player(average of top-10 salaries at position), restricting his ability to negotiate with other teams.   Should the League go uncapped in 2010 and 2011 each team would have access to 1-Franchise Tag and 2-Transition Tags.  Not only would a player have to wait 6 years just to get to Free Agency, they would have a much greater likelihood of getting restricted even further with one of these tags.  Kirwin talks about this a bit further -

  • If this situation existed in 2008, a team like Pittsburgh -- which used a transition tag to retain OT <a onclick="s_objectID="http://www.nfl.com/players/maxstarks/profile?id=STA603966_1";return this.s_oc?this.s_oc(e):true" href="http://www.nfl.com/players/maxstarks/profile?id=STA603966"> Max Starks -- could have also tagged <a onclick="s_objectID="http://www.nfl.com/players/alanfaneca/profile?id=FAN049971_1";return this.s_oc?this.s_oc(e):true" href="http://www.nfl.com/players/alanfaneca/profile?id=FAN049971"> Alan Faneca with either a transition or franchise tag if it so desired. If every team in the league used one or two tags, not even the three they would possess, it could take another 40 quality free agents off the market.

Of course, with an extra 2 years before players even get to that point would keep teams from over-using this stipulation.  And think about it, the average NFL career is over in 3.5 years.

3.  Top 8 Teams Will Be Restricted -- Some people are worried about the NFL becoming like Major League Baseball with 3 or 4 teams at the high end of the salary scale making it hard for small market teams to compete.  In a way, it is the exact opposite.  Another stipulation severely restricts the teams that finish with the Top 8 records.  Once again we join Peter King --

  • If the uncapped year is reached, the teams with the best eight records in football in 2009 will be severely restricted from jumping into the pool. It's still not precisely determined how the system would work, but let's say the Patriots are one of the top eight and want to sign a free-agent to a five-year, $20-million contract. They'd have to lose their own player or players to contracts totaling $20 million before they could sign the free-agent they want. Conceptually, that's how this clause in the deal is going to work, but the exact mechanics of it are not clear yet. The purpose is very clear: The best teams are going to have tight leashes in free agency. And I can tell you from talking to a few traditionally good teams at the league meetings last week, they're not happy about it.

Essentially teams would get punished for winning.  Think about a team like Indianapolis, a team that manages their finances but also doesn't worry about spending money on a particular free agent when the need arises.  The system would punish them, hamper their ability to make a move in Free Agency for no other reason than their Win/Loss record the year before.  Meanwhile other teams could spend what they wanted.

None of the options above really benefit the players.  Some of them don't benefit the teams and owners that have done a great job in the current system.  The NFL has done a great job in positioning itself as this country's #1 sport in terms of popularity and finances.  Wisely, the men that run the League, that helped it ascend to this point, put in place protective measures to avoid the "worst case scenario".  To put it simply, an uncapped year doesn't help anyone - players, owners or fans.

That helped me.  Hope it helps you out too.

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May 21, 2008 3:11 pm

The dreaded undistinguishable language STRIKES again!  <<waving fist> >

Sorry about that, friend.


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May 21, 2008 7:07 pm

Yeah... I have -tried- and -tried- to discern what the hell is up with these posting forums and why all them weird language tags pop up whenever someones name is linked from another site. Rest assured Marine, and Chiago Faithful, I will figure it out!

 

(Psst... if anyone knows already, feel free to steal the limelight, yo!)