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Reputation:94
Level:All-Star
Since:Jan 11, 2007

May 14, 2008 9:14 am
How much longer are games like yesterday's game going to keep slipping away from this team?

I dont understand it. This team is either #1 or at the top in nearly every pitching and offensive catagory there is. So why are we still losing games like this??


I can't help but speculate that if this were a different team, then the writers, fans, and the front office might start speculating the removal or "firing" of the manager.

Now I know this team could go 0-162 and Bobby Cox wouldn't be fired. Afterall he is Bobby Cox and he's praticly a walking legend in Atlanta. However I can't help but wonder where this team would be if Bobby would have retired this past offseason.

I love Bobby Cox. He's the man but I am starting to second guess him just a bit. How can't you when you're tops in the league in stats but yet you're struggling to stay above .500?

-BC10

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Since:Nov 12, 2006

May 14, 2008 10:00 am

Combining their 2 worst stats. I heard this morning that they are 0-16 in their last one run games on the road. How is that possible? The Braves seem to not put up runs in a couple of games  and then put up a big number, making the stats look a little better. Need some more consistency.


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Since:Dec 22, 2007

May 14, 2008 10:28 am
They need to do something to shake things up when they go on the road. Change the batting order, play non starters, change their diet, anything to get their attention and wake these guys up. They need to know that a road trip is not vacation time. Bobby could do this, but he seems to be asleep as well. You can't call it a fluke when you are 0-16 in any situation. That is just a lack of effort and or leadership. If you are doing what you know you are supposed to do you are going to win 2 or 3 of those games at the very least even if just by accident.

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Level:Superstar
Since:Oct 6, 2006

May 14, 2008 10:51 am
I`m with you `Chick my biggest issue is all the lineup changing and platoon B.S.that Bobby is in love with.I`m sick of this team NOT starting and consistently playing the best nine players we have.I mean starting Infante 3 days in a row and then batting his sorry @$$ leadoff.I don`t care if he had a nice game coming of DL I`m glad since he`s on our  team;but the guy is a freaking career bench warmer who had one decent season (only decent) on a Tigers team that lost 120 games.Diaz hits lefties good but is a joke on the field and cost Jurrjens 3 runs by not catching a routine flyball that stayed in the air forever yet landed fair.This team could do more with Blanco in left than Diaz and the defense wouldn`t be a mess.The bullpen gets criticized for failing but Bobby is so by the old out-dated book that he is in love with this matchup scenario.If you constantly try to use 4-5 relievers at some point you`ll put someone in who is having an off day simply because thats just the way things work out.If Resop/Ring/Boyer/Acosta whomever is on the mound is throwing well good let `em get a couple more guys out before you change otherwise someone out of the entire group will inevitably be off a little.Then we pinch-hit and pull Jurrjens in the top of the 6th with 2 outs while he`s pitching a 3-hitter with 5 k`s and a low pitch count!Hell pull Diaz he`s the one that can`t catch a routine flyball:C`mon Bobby you`ve been the man but things are a little disconcerting here!

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Since:Feb 2, 2008

May 14, 2008 10:56 am

I was watching the Basketball playoffs and Kenny Smith said that in blowout games, the team is responsible but in games decided by 3 points or less, the head coach is to blame. I found that opinion very interesting and I wonder if that also translates to BB as well. If a team is 0-16 in one run games, should the manager be held responsible? Personally I'm not sure about this. I've always thought that of all the major sports that the BB manager has the least impact in the games outcome. Not no impact but the least when compared to other sports. I think when you also factor in how the Braves pen has sustained one injury after the other, it starts to make sense as to why one run games are so hard to pull out.

When Smoltz returns and anchors the pen once again, I think you'll be winning more one run games than losing them.

Of course being a Mets fan I hope you continue to lose them!!


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Since:Jan 18, 2007

May 14, 2008 11:46 am
ya know i think it is funny when the Braves when a few games in a row fans from other teams don't come on this board and say crap but let us lose a few and they all come out like little cockroaches. As to answer your question braveschick when this team gets healthy again and with the offense we can have this team can be hell on the NL

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Reputation:93
Level:All-Star
Since:Nov 6, 2007

May 14, 2008 1:04 pm

ITS NOT BOBBY'S FAULT WE HAVE NO CLUTCH PLAYERS.

our guys are great hitters when we are up a few runs but in a tight game we can't get the clutch hits. that is why the stats tell us we are better than our record. we will beat a team 14-0 everyone will get four hits and then the next two games we score 2 runs. we still have great averages but we are 1-2 over that stretch.


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Since:Apr 22, 2008

May 14, 2008 3:03 pm

I tend to agree with cuse on this one. Here are some stats to back it up. Braves lead NL with both .284 BA & 3.54 ERA. With RISP Avg. falls to .250. In late innings of close games  BA falls to .211 and ERA swells to 5.09. I hope the law of averages will balance this up over the course of the season. I am sure with 3/4 of the season to go we won't finish 4-44 in 1 run games.

I don't think our players are chokers.  I think this is a statistical fluke that will balance out with us winning our share of close games.


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Since:Mar 6, 2007

May 14, 2008 3:42 pm
The Braves seem to not put up runs in a couple of games  and then put up a big number, making the stats look a little better. Need some more consistency.

Exactly.  when you build your team to play for the 3 run homer, then what you get is a team that scores 8 or 10 runs once every week when you catch a pitcher (or two) who's having a bad day and then you struggle to score the rest of the week.

I don't see that changing anytime soon.


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Since:Oct 6, 2006

May 14, 2008 4:15 pm

The stats thing is easy - We lose all of the close games and then have a couple of blowouts every week.  That will make the numbers look really good.  I think the biggest issue is the bullpen.  I think the injuries to our bullpen are really killing us.  When Gonzalez, Soriano, and now Smoltz are healthy, the game will be over if we have the lead after 6 innings.  Moylan has been solid as well, but he is injured now too.  If we were just .500 in one-run games, we would be leading the division.  The bull-pen has a ton to do with that.

Having said all that, injuries are a part of the game and we have to be able to make adjustments.