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From the Joba rules to the Kershaw decree
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From the Joba rules to the Kershaw decree
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Used to be able to see the lights of McCoy stadium (Pawsox) from my bedroom window. Free firework shows for the kids about 20 times a year. It was great.... Nice! Living by the Jersey shore, I get to see a few good fireworks shows a year from my window, but that's about it. I need to get closer to a decent ballpark!
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Pitchers dont pitch as much now for a few reasons. One is that any good pitcher is under a long term deal by free agency. Therefore, it is smarter for a team to limit his IP and extend the effectiveness of his career a few more years to get extra value, rather than have 3 years of 250-275 IP with a dead arm and wasted money after.
Secondly, the pitchers themselves would rather be pitching less. For the same reason. There is a trend with pitchers playing later into their careers. Maybe due to steroids, maybe other factors as well. Both Blyleven and, for example, Bob Gibson only were effective til their late 30's. Sandy Koufax barely made it to 30. Jamie Moyer is 45. Glavine and Smoltz and Johnson and Clemens are in their mid-40's, and still able to make rosters (Smoltz is still dominant).
How hard people throw may also have something to do with it. Guys who throw mid 90s on the radar gun are at a premium, not guys who eat 300 innings. Simple logic; if you throw each pitcher harder, your capable of throwing a smaller number of those pitches.
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This is more of a question to try to contribute to the discussion but does the height of the mound you think have anything to do with it?
Just speculating... cause I really would like to know as well... its that eternal question what happend to those 125+ Innings guys used to be able to throw...?
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I have a question for Yankee fans.
I'm about to make a post in Wikipedia for a new term I've come up with by reading Yankee fans threads. I'd like your input for some alternate uses and explanations.
the word is ..... Jobagasm
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What a bunch of wussies. Why do they do this -- limiting pitch counts. If you can't pitch 200 innings without getting injured - YOU'RE WEAK! And if you're too afraid to let a natural born athlete do what he does best, YOU'RE A FRAIDY CAT!!
I'm with Hank Steinbrenner on this one. YOU'RE ALL IDIOTS!!
10 f---ing 4. Over and out.
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The big difference is that in the past 25 + years ago, starters paced themselves to throw complete games, there were few who would even throw in the 90 mph range ( or save a few of those pitches for the right situation). You had guys like Ross Grimsley who had success despite not even throwing in the 80's. Knuckleballers who could easily throw 300 innings ( Wilbur Wood, etc). The way baseball's been since then is that they want theses kids throwing all out for as long as they can, and are happy if they get 6 or 7 innings out of them. Now to make it to the bigs these kids are ruining their arms before they even get to the bigs ( Greg Miller )m I sense this Kershaw Decree may have been precipitated by an undisclosed MRI, fraying of the labrum , partial tendon tear. What I don't understand is why aren't they using him now, instead of Kuoiaza?
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The Dodgers are doing a brilliant job of grooming Kershaw.
Some years back, I asked an owner of the AA Midland Angels whether a club would like to draft a college pitcher, or a kid right out of high school. My notion was that a college pitcher would be more advanced, his abilities more apparent. He said, "Are you serious? We'd rather take a kid right out of high school, so we can teach him our approach to baseball from the ground up, without for instance, aluminum bats and insane pitch counts run up by guys who want to be the NCAA baseball coach of the year. If we could draft them out of 8th grade, we would; we have literally NO IDEA how many young arms have been scorched by throwing 200 or so pitches in a game God knows how many times, as kids!"
Words to that effect, anyway. The Kershawkidglove treatment is particularly remarkable coming from the Dodgers and the legacy of Walter Alston, who had Koufax throw, what 130-160 pitches in a SPRING TRAINING GAME after his arm difficulties were well known. And that was the original Koufax -- the SECOND Koufax, if you will -- look up Karl Spooner in the BB Encyc., and you'll see how Alston and the Dodgers destroyed the FIRST Koufax!
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i still don't understand one thing, if the Dodgers are preparing him to play later in the season, why not move him up to AAA, last i heard he was destroying AA so why not go the next step to a little bit better hitters. Its a hard enough jump from AAA to the majors, let alone from AA.
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Point well made and taken, eddonald, but if he's a good as they say, he should be good enough for the bigs now, so why hold him back? Are they trying to build up his arm strength, if so it's not evident that they would have him on a 25 inning per month quota? Something see | |
