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LSU's Awesome OOC Schedule
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Bigdawgs --
The only difference? I never pounded my chest about the teams we beat like SEC fans do. Step out of the rose colored glasses... do you really believe that Auburn is better than Oregon or that Florida is better than Oregon from what you have seen? I do not think so. I guess we can then say that Mizzou would have killed LSU since Arkansas beat LSU and Mizzou killed Ark. Do I believe this... no.
But, I do believe that the SEC and the Pac 10 had just OK bowl matchups for the most part. Yes, even UGA vs Hawaii was really bad. Hawaii in its last regular season game played our last place team Washington and barely won. Going down the stretch... the barely beat Nevada and Fresno St. They were frauds and everybody knew it. But wait... you are going to argue what about Boise St last year? Go see what they did to most of the teams they played. They were legit. They beat an Oregon St team badly that year. That same team beat USC. No problem with them being in a BCS bowl, but Hawaii this year?
Going to your bowl games... once again... never pounded my chest, but since you bring it up....
USC beat the only team that beat OSU at OSU- badly... are you not then just diminishing LSUs win?
I think the Big 12 had the best match ups with
#19 Texas vs ASU #11 -- won
Texas A&M and Penn St -- lost
Alabama and Colorado -- lost
OSU and Indiana -- won
#6 Mizzou and Ark -- won
Texas Tech and #20 Virginia - won
Oklahoma and WVU -lost
Kansas and Va Tech -- won
Do you disagree with?
They played nothing but BCS teams.
They went 1-0 vs Pac, 1-1 vs SEC, 1-1 vs Big 10, 0-1 vs BE, 2-0 vs ACC
They pulled off two upsets vs significantly higher ranked opponents with one upset
They had a legitimate shot of placing Oklahoma in the BCS NC game (which I still think they should have gotten the nod over LSU)
Peace out brother. As always, good stuff.
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Thanks, BD. I haven't followd cfb that closely but for about 20 years. Interesting answer. Do you happen to know if the other conferences scheduled like this?
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Worst: Who, Tiger, shoot let's just say all the LSU posters in here. Their knowledge of CF outside of the Bayou is limited - and when faced with the facts make stupid, 4th grade like responses (sounds like their head coach).
Please!
Aren't you up a little late for a school night?
PC, You never answered my question.
KNUT
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Worst: Who, Tiger, shoot let's just say all the LSU posters in here. Their knowledge of CF outside of the Bayou is limited - and when faced with the facts make stupid, 4th grade like responses (sounds like their head coach).
rd, I cannot agree with that at all. Knut is a great poster and very objective and very knowledgeable. There are a bunch of other ones...cajuninca, and whodem. I don't always agree with them, but they are good posters.
I really don't want to get into a thing about which fans have the worst posters, because believe me, there are bad ones all over these boards from every section of the country.
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Thanks, BD. I haven't followd cfb that closely but for about 20 years. Interesting answer. Do you happen to know if the other conferences scheduled like this?
Devil,
Probably not. Remember, the SEC was the biggest. The Big Ten had "10" teams back then. The Big VIII, SWC, ACC and PAC 8 were all 8 team conferences. Lots of difference between 13 and then 12 vs 10. But almost all these conferences had multiple co-champs.
I used to listen to LSU football on Saturday nights as a kid. I remember John Ferguson calling the games. Their flagship was WWL New Orleans, with Studios in the Roosevelt Hotel. It was really awesome and you could even tell how loud it was in Tiger Stadium on the radio. LSU used to play Rice and Texas A&M an awful lot. Made total sense. Close by state...like UGA to Clemson. Recruiting ground. etc.
I remember the great Ron Yary from USC. He was asked about the noise at Notre Dame Stadium when the Trojans lost a close game there. His remark has always stood out to me. I will paraphrase.....yeah, it was loud out there but not the loudest I have ever played at. Compared to Tiger Stadium in Baton Rouge, Notre DameStadium was like the Romper Room.
Anyway, like most southerners I am a passionate SEC fan. But with a Dad from out west and mom from Germany and spending my life in the Army, I have developed a great deal of respect for college football all over the country.
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Tall Tiger...
"If LSU played in the ACC, Pac-10, or Big-10,, I would prefer to play a tougher OOC schedule to beef up the schedule....we have to play UF & UGA and then play one of them again if we are to get to the Championship....that schedule is tough enough."
-- This is why people hate you SEC homers. To beef up your schedule? What the hell else does the Pac 10 have to prove? We are 9-6 vs the SEC the last ten years. We just recently beat your #2 team with our #7 team. USC thrashed Auburn and Arkansas that you struggled against. Hell, Oregon State should have beat you guys and you know it. We had 4 TEAMS make it to the #2 spot. We had 4 final ranked teams as well as unranked Cal who beat Tennessee. Second of all... for the last time... you do not play everybody in your conference. I guess you are also forgetting that Florida team you are pumping up lost to Michigan who Oregon thrashed. What else does the Pac 10 have to do? Seriously...
LSU gets its toughest IC game at home vs Georgia. You do not even play Tennessee. You schedule is not that crazy. You have FOUR Away games and EIGHT home games. That is simply disgraceful.
USC is @ Virginia, hosting Ohio State and then plays Notre Dame near the end of its schedule... who knows how they will be next year. That is real OOC scheduling. Check out our last place team Washington... they play BYU, Oklahoma and Notre Dame.
Come on Tall... have some respect for the Pac 10.
Peace.
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BD,
Make sure you ask David who his 2nd favorite team in CFB is.
KNUT
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I think the Big 12 had the best match ups with
#19 Texas vs ASU #11 -- won
Texas A&M and Penn St -- lost
Alabama and Colorado -- lost
OSU and Indiana -- won
#6 Mizzou and Ark -- won
Texas Tech and #20 Virginia - won
Oklahoma and WVU -lost
Kansas and Va Tech -- won
Do you disagree with?
They played nothing but BCS teams.
No I don't disagree on this at all. But I must ask what does that have to do with anything? None of these teams had any say so on who they played? They got what they got. Do you think I was happy we were playing Hawaii? I was happy as hell to be going to New Orleans, but don't you think Mark Richt and company might have preferred to play OU or USC or WVU or Va Tech. We got what was given to us. I think we did what we were supposed to do with it.
I don't agree at all on Oregon. And no I don't agree with OU. If we are going to continually beat people up for their OOC opponents then I can spell it out in one simple phrase.....LSU 48 Va Tech 7. And no, the pathetic Miami Hurricanes do NOT MATCH up with the Hokies. Closed case.
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KNUT,
I think he said one time the Tigers....the Bayou Bengal type.
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USC is @ Virginia, hosting Ohio State and then plays Notre Dame near the end of its schedule... who knows how they will be next year. That is real OOC scheduling.
We can always hope that UVA keeps it closer than they did with.......Wyoming last year. 
I might also give the Irish a year to get back on track before I would use that as an example also. If they beat Navy this year, it might be "interesting". 
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OK, I understand your point of view but just so I've got the correct info for any future debates we may have, what you're saying is - Final team rankings (BCS or AP) are no longer valid stats to use in debates?
Well, let's just say sometimes it seems fine to use rankings and sometimes it doesn't. Example:
It seems fine to me to say, "Cal had a nice win over a ranked Tennessee team." I think we can all agree Tennessee was a "ranked team", or, being more specific, "LSU had a quality win over a "top ten" VT team." Since VT was ranked from #6 to #11 from week 6 through the end of the year, those comments seem pretty accurate to me. I doubt anyone would question that very much. I would think even the biggest VT haters out there would have them at or very lose to #10.
However, it doesn't seem fine to say "LSU beat 5 top 15 teams and USC none" for several reasons. Here's a few of them:
One, ASU finished #16 in the AP and #13 in the coaches. Florida finished #13 in the AP and #16 in the coaches. Is it just me or is it misleading for TT to give LSU a top 15 win over Florida, but not USC a top 15 win over ASU? He is intentionally trying to mislead and that is BS.
Two, Illinois finished #20 in the AP and #18 in the coaches. In an earlier post, I compared Illinois' resume with Auburn's. Without looking at the polls, many unbiased fans would probably assume Illinois was the team ranked in the "top 15" and Auburn the team at #18. So, yes, I have a problem with TT giving LSU credit fro beating Auburn and not giving USC credit for beating Illinois.
I just think we should be accurate and not try to mislead when we use rankings. When comparing who teams played, let's be honest about it. Do you think it would be acceptable to say Michigan beat a "ranked" Penn State team, but VT beat an "unranked" Virginia team? In the coaches poll, Penn State finished #25 and Virginia #27, but in the AP poll, Virginia finished #26 and Penn State #27. Is there really a lot of difference in these 2 teams?
Oregon State finished #25 in the AP poll and #26 in the coaches poll. So, like Penn St., are they ranked or not? Would it really be accurate to call a win over a #25 Penn Sate team that got 127 voting points a "good win" because they finished ranked, but not call a win over a #26 Oregon State team that got 108 voting points a good win since they didn't finish ranked? Of course it wouldn't. I could go on and on, but I think you see my point. There is an acceptable time to bring up rankings and an obvious unacceptable one. People like TT that constantly try to mislead should be ashamed of themselves and are wasting their time because most of us can see right through a bunch of BS. Do you think I'm the only one on here that knew ASU was #13 and Florida # 16 in the coaches poll? Keep it real, man.
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rcooke, devil,
I got to get out of here. It is late on the east coast. Can't stay up late and deal with the PAC 10 until after breakfast. Good stuff. Good Night.
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No I don't disagree on this at all. But I must ask what does that have to do with anything? None of these teams had any say so on who they played? They got what they got. Do you think I was happy we were playing Hawaii? I was happy as hell to be going to New Orleans, but don't you think Mark Richt and company might have preferred to play OU or USC or WVU or Va Tech. We got what was given to us. I think we did what we were supposed to do with it.
-- It sucks, but the Pac 10 and the SEC got pretty crappy draws this past year. That is all. Yes, you did do what you were supposed to do and that was just wipe them up. That is why I am not beating my chest... was not too happy with the bowl schedule this past year.
"I don't agree at all on Oregon. And no I don't agree with OU. If we are going to continually beat people up for their OOC opponents then I can spell it out in one simple phrase.....LSU 48 Va Tech 7. And no, the pathetic Miami Hurricanes do NOT MATCH up with the Hokies. Closed case."
-- All good. That is what the posts are all about. Oregon IMO was better than Auburn (beat USF 56-21 vs a 23-26 loss at home) for Auburn. Auburn did beat Florida, but Oregon beat USC) and OU had an easily better Conference championship win that should have put them over the top. That LSU win over Va Tech was huge, but I think beating the #1 team at the end of the year should put you in.
Peace.
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PC,
Great response! What I can't understand though is why people use different polls at the end of the year. IMO the BCS polls are the most important going into the Bowl season. Why? Supposedly this is one of the most important polls in figuring the Bowl games. 2nd would be the AP poll which still plays a part in the total equation and can lead to split NC's. I never even give the coaches poll a 2nd glance at the end of the season, it's irrelevant IMO. I mean if we add the coaches poll the pages become more and more blurred so why not add the Harris Poll & the Master Coaches poll as well? So am I the only one who feels this way about the polls?
And yes, the Canadians do make a great whiskey!!!
KNUT
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