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3 MVP's in a row


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3 MVP's in a row
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Reputation:97
Level:Superstar
Since:Mar 9, 2008

April 22, 2008 12:46 pm

Utley is most definitely a serious candidate for MVP.  With that making 3 MVP's in 3 years shouldn't the Phillies  have won a World Series by now?  It seems every year that they struggle early and  finish strong late to just make the playoffs but get booted early.  Maybe their being mismanaged?  Any thoughts?


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Reputation:92
Level:All-Star
Since:Aug 13, 2007

April 22, 2008 1:48 pm
The last 3 or 4 years they have struggled early and missed the widecard by a few games. But last year was the first time since 1993 that they made the playoffs. And they did run into the Rox so i think playing the hottest NL team in first round playing a part in getting swept, plus the bats didnt show up that series.

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Reputation:70
Level:Pro
Since:Mar 17, 2008

April 22, 2008 1:50 pm
Yes, You are right, Charlie Manual is a big dumby!!  However, he is in the top three of all time Phillies mangers win records thru 3+ season, and that is some pretty good company, and these guys play there butts off for him, so I was ok with him getting a contract extention.  Will will see, our pitching is still not there, we need to have another stud, you need 3 studs plus 2 ok backend guys,  So we will see.

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Reputation:90
Level:All-Star
Since:Sep 15, 2006

April 22, 2008 2:10 pm

Just because a team has an MVP doesn't mean that it's a World Series-caliber team. In fact, most MVPs' teams don't make the World Series. Last year, Alex Rodriguez had one of the finest all-around offensive seasons in memory, and the Yankees fell short of the Series yet again.

For the Phillies, as with a lot of other teams, it's come down to pitching for the past few years. Yes, the offense has been outstanding (despite its no-show in the NLDS last year against the Rockies), but consider their pitching. Two years ago, their only real "ace" was Brett Myers. Last year, they had Cole Hamels, but Myers was pitching out of the bullpen and the rotation depth wasn't very good. This year may be better with Myers and Hamels both in the rotation, but Moyer/Kendrick/Eaton doesn't exactly inspire confiedence as the three-four-five starters.

All in all, it's pretty clear why the Phillies haven't gone deep into the playoffs in the past two years. Having perennial MVP candidates on offense won't be enough to change that.


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Reputation:92
Level:All-Star
Since:Feb 6, 2008

April 22, 2008 2:22 pm
While Charlie Manuel is one of the worst press conference spokesmen and comes off as being an absolute goon, it seems like he's learned an awful lot about managing throughout the past 3 seasons - he's gotten comfortable making the double switch and has really been a good motivator (that obviously showed down the stretch last year).  The reason why they haven't been able to dominate has been their injuries.  Look at how well Charlie managed during their most banged up part of the season - Victorino was out, Bourne went out, and Utley was out (not to mention their pitching was scuffed up from spring training with losing Freddy Garcia and bullpen members.  I think he's learning how to be amuch better manager and I'm actually pleased with their recent extension.  Please, Charlie, work on those grammatical skills for your press and news conferences.