Boise State V. BYU

GW, just curious, if you were given the choice of rooting for a team that had been good for 7 straight years or for a team that has been good for 33 of the last 36 years, which would you choose?

Personally, I'll choose to root for my team.  Whether they've been good for 7, 33/36, or never.

Yep.  Good point.  Boise doesn't have the Heisman hat yet.
I specially like the "beat Clemson" part!!!

Don't read too much in to this, I'm not necessarily trying to start an argument about who's better between BYU and BSU because both are good teams and both have a decent chance of beating the other on any given day.  So take it for what it is worth:

Since being in Division 1:

Boise State is ranked 2d in all time winning % at .74144, right behind Michigan at .74475.

BYU is ranked 44th at .56542.

The big difference (and reason why these numbers don't necessarily matter in the argument of longevity is that since D1 Boise State played a total of 263 games, whereas BYU has played 879, Boise State can't argue that they're better because they haven't played enough games yet, and BYU can't argue because while Boise State doesn't have the D1 history yet, the history they do have is better)

However,

Guess who is ranked #42?

That would be Hawaii at .56874 with 902 games played.

i agree that it will be a great series cougs are a legit program that plays well year in year out and while i would like to see us play pac 10 and upper mwc teams every year til we get an invite to move up to a better confrence and ditch the vandal slugs for good this is a great start

I could care less about past history.

What about future history? Do you care about that?

well backer, i don't like it either, i stated that on byu message board and i will state it here as well, but if you ask me who would i rather see byu play, a top 1aa team or someone like idaho or smu, i would go with a top 1aa team.

the problem is, i am not sure that northern iowa can prepare byu for washington and ucla back to back.  thats a big concern due to the difference is speed and size that pac 10 has over 1aa. 

obviously a solid bcs team or someone like troy would have been better for the cougs so i will say it right now so that there is no confusion later this season, I WANTED BETTER COMPETITION FOR BYU.

Future History - isn't that an oxymoron?

Of course, saying "past" history is overstating your case.  If it's history, it's already obviously in the past.

What you have to understand is that a majority of BSU fans do care about football history, it's just that they only care about the past seven years of football history.  Anything before that is irrelevent. 

See, if you were to remind BSU fans that they are not the current WAC champion, all of the sudden "past" history would become relevent and they would point to the five seasons before this season.

Frankly, the only thing this number is useful for is to prove how much emphasis a school has placed on it's football program since the very first game they played.  Given that BYU didn't even care that they were fielding a football team until about 1965, I'm a little suprised we're even above .500 at this point.  To average out that high, BYU must have a pretty high win percentage since 1970.

So, if you're going to look at a teams overall win percentage, you shouldn't limit BSU to strictly their Div 1-A years.  I think they'd still have a decent win percentage, but they'd most likely fall way down in the pecking order. 

I am a little surprised at Hawaii's overall win percentage, since it's only been recently that they started placing an emphasis on the program.

Unfortunately Gobig, our program is the one with proven staying power. Other than 3 bad Gary Crowton years, we've been good since 1972. I don't think you need to worry about not playing good BYU teams.Fair enough, BBacker.  Mendenhall seems to have the program back on solid footing.  Not real worried about Boise State's staying power.  Should be a good game, and a good regional rivalry.  Hopefully the contract is a moot point by then and we are in the MWC.   

Come on GW, I think you know full well what I meant. I was saying that you should switch allegiances based on who's good or not. What I was asking is as a BSU fan, if you were given a hypothetical scenario which said you can choose for your team to either have 7 good years in a row or 33 good years out of 36, which would you take?

Of course you don't care about past history, because your team has very little of it. It helps your argument and your case for BSU being "the backbone of mid-majors" to not care about past history. However, 90% of college football fans out there do care about it and know thta it means quite a bit.

I'm not sure how we have anything to prove to you. We have accomplished 10 times what BSU has in college football. We have nothing to prove to anyone, let alone a johnny come lately mid-major program. I am excited for the matchup as well. Unfortunately noone on the current rosters will be playing in that game, so it would be impossible to say who will have the upperhand. My guess is those games will actually be conference games by 2012 anyway.