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Reputation:92
Level:All-Star
Since:Feb 28, 2007

May 7, 2008 5:40 pm

Just keep posting, if no one else will read them I will.

In the past three years I have been reading and posting here I have come to a single conclusion......Many people here can not deal with the truth.

Here is an example......last spring most posters were talking about Byron Leftwich, should he or shouldn't he be the QB. One common thread amoungst posters was that David Garrard was not the answer. I remember them crying about the fact that the Jaguars did not take Brady Quinn in the draft.

Now....these very same people are talking about the fact that Garrard is the second comming of Christ.

Also I remember all the talk about how the new draft picks where going to come in and have an imediate impact and make the team a playoff team. Funny thing is most of those players never really played.

Most posters here are bandwagon posters. They agree with everything the teams does and says as though it was written in the bible. Any opinion to the contrary is viewed as comming from someone that knows nothing about football or the team. 

If I always went by the teams press releases I would believe we have the Super Bowl in the bag and every player on the team is headed for the Hall of Fame.

Last years team did exactly what I expected it too. I knew Leftwich would not start a regular season game (even though I was trying to be supportive of him). I knew Garrard was going to get his chance. I knew the running game would fall short of the previous year because defensive coordinators would be more prepared for it. I also knew opponents would focus on the run and force us to pass on them. Which we did with marginal success. 

There was also the question about the health of the defense and the depth on the defensive line. Both were answered ....... the defense still is plagued by the injury bug....and the depth of the defensive line is not all that good.

Here is some food for thought....

As far as getting pressure on the QB....it does not fall soley on the shoulders of the DE to do that. If there is a good push up the middle it limits the opposing teams ability to double your outside rushers. Fact is the DT is key to getting pressure on the QB. NO DE WILL EVER get pressure on the QB if he is the subject of consistant double teams. Only a rare few DE's have been able to beat double teams consistantly.  Also to buy time for a pass rush to develop, since many blitzes and rush schems rely on delayed timing, the secondary needs to cover better in the earlier stages of a route. If the secondary gets beat consistantly on short routes there will never be any time for the pressure to get there. Corners that are not ture cover corners and linebackers that struggle with coverage will fall short in that area.

Question is what has JDR done to address this? Nothing....he is content with the play of the rest of the defense and is placing the pressure on the DE to take the defense to the next level. Maybe the move to get Harvey was in fact the best move based upon the limited talent level in this years draft. We will just have to wait and see how Harvey handles the position and the pressue.

As far as the offense.....Garrard is the Man (wow I said that about Garrard last year, sorry David). It is his team, he has earned that right. The running game is in good hands with MOJO, Taylor, and a good offensive line. The passisng game will not benifit from the running game. Any one that knows how it works in today's high powered offenses it is the running game that benifits from a dangerous passing game...perect examples are the Colts, Patriots, and Dallas.

The Jaguars are effective when playing with a lead, but get them behind and they struggle. Why? The passing game is NOT capable of carrying the team.

What we have with the Jaguars is a conflict of ideas......first off the Jaguars have been a team of draft and develop under JDR. Sometimes it has worked, but many other times it has failed. JDR has shyed away from taking free agent picks because of age and declining talent levels. Yet, we stop drafting WR and start taking free agents at that position. Neither Porter or  Northcutt were threatening wide receivers. Yet JDR gets them to make an immediate impact at that position. Then he turns around and this year sells out the draft (that we all know was shallow) to get Harvey so he can develop to fill what is seen as the teams biggest need rather than selling out the draft to pick an impact player like Jason Taylor?

What I expect this year?

Pretty much the same as last. I see Garrard doing well but stuggling when the team finds it's self playing from behind. I see the defense struggling to stay healthy and only a marginal improvement, if any, in getting pressure on opposing QB's.  The only issue is....will the Jaguars be able to make the playoffs? The early part of the season is critical. Three division games....If the Jaguars do not come off the blocks clean it will be a long season of questions and second guessing.

My hope is that I am wrong and things come together for the team, the franchise, and the City of Jacksonville and there is an AFC Championship on the horizon.


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Reputation:97
Level:Superstar
Since:Sep 19, 2006

May 7, 2008 6:37 pm
Sorry JagFan1964, I accidently gave you a 1 star. I meant to give you a 3. Damn stars are too little.

I agree with some parts of your post, including the part where you said many of us here didn't believe Garrard was the answer. I was one of those, but as the season went on my opinion changed. I openly supported the decision to make Garrard the starter because he was and is our QB and we must stand behind him no matter what.

Most posters here are bandwagon posters. They agree with everything the teams does and says as though it was written in the bible.It sounds to me that you gave a description of a homer not a bandwagoner. Although not good, it is better to be called a homer then a bandwagoner. If anyone here is a bandwagoner it is Jagsbch. Just because the Jaguars did something he doesn't agree with he starts trashing them. Apparently you weren't here during the regular season to see how Jagsbch would go to every opposing teams board the week we had to play them and stared trashing the Jaguars for everything. It sound to me like Jagsbch is a fan of Byron Leftwich and not of the Jaguars. I can tolerate the the fact that he doesn't like Garrard and prefers Lefty, but to stop liking the Jaguars over the loss of one player is what bothers everyone here. Byron is no longer a Jaguar and never will be again. Get over it (not directed towards JagFan1964).


Keep posting JAGSBCH.....
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Reputation:95
Level:Superstar
Since:Dec 26, 2007

May 7, 2008 7:45 pm

Most posters here are bandwagon posters. They agree with everything the teams does and says as though it was written in the bible. Any opinion to the contrary is viewed as comming from someone that knows nothing about football or the team. 

 I have been a fan since it was established and to call me and others like me bandwagoners is ludicrous! I will be the first to admit when they gave the Starting job to Garrard i said to myself "o great there goes the season!" He suprised me as he did the entire football world! He can carry a team! I don't agree with what the front office does sometimes, but you are in the same boat as I am and cannot do a damn thing about it but to just support the team we love!

The Jaguars are effective when playing with a lead, but get them behind and they struggle. Why? The passing game is NOT capable of carrying the team.

If our defense performs like it should this year this won't happen near as much! The game that it mattered Garrard should did pull one out of his keester in Pitt in the playoffs huh?  He can do what is needed don't be to harsh!

In the past three years I have been reading and posting here I have come to a single conclusion......Many people here can not deal with the truth.

I haven't had an account for very long but have read this board for 2 years now!  Jagsbch is the epitomy of stupidity when it comes to his posts!  He tries to base his posts off facts! He tries to build a house out of bricks( his facts)! They may look like bricks but turn them a certain way and they are as thin as a piece of paper!  He wants us to put doubt in our heads about this team because they got rid of his boy toy! I liked byron but watching get hurt about 3 times a year was enough!

 I knew the running game would fall short of the previous year because defensive coordinators would be more prepared for it.

I would look for more passing this year, maybe not alot but a fair amount more!

Then he turns around and this year sells out the draft (that we all know was shallow) to get Harvey so he can develop to fill what is seen as the teams biggest need rather than selling out the draft to pick an impact player like Jason Taylor?

 

Jt may not even play this year! Why bank on a player who may or may not play in 09' just like Jared Allen! He's one more **** up away from being gone for a year and given his track record, I would bank on him doing so!


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Reputation:99
Level:Superstar
Since:May 25, 2007

May 7, 2008 8:57 pm
It's not solely on the DE to get pressure.  You need a good push up the middle.  Yep I agree 100%.  But the Jags had one of the best "pushes up the middle" in the league.  That's what the Jaguars are known for.  A defense built around two monstrous DT's.  You don't think John Henderson and Marcus Stroud commanded any double teams?  The push up the middle wasn't the problem. 

Go back to the playoff game against the Patriots.  They barely even needed any extra pass protection.  They just stretched us out and Tom Brady calmly waited for someone to get open.  Then they figured out we weren't ever coming so they started started running the ball.

As for Garrard, I don't recall people saying we need to pick up another starter.  I remember people people upset with his performance in Tennessee and KC a couple years back.  I remember a lot of people asking what was going on with him.  But I think the general feeling among Jags fans and the media for that matter was that David Garrard gave the Jags the best chance for them to win because Byron sprinting was like watching a power walking race in slow motion.  Plus DB's had two days to react to Byron throwing the ball because his windup was so slow.

If you want to know why people barely ever read Jagsbch's posts, IMO it's because he comes up with such long, out of this world explanations for why things happened.  Didn't he try to say JDR was racist and he couldn't wait for the QB's to fail so he can bring in a white QB?  If I'm not mistaken that was him that started that thread.  The truth of the matter is that Jagsbch hates on JDR because he feels like it was his fault Byron failed.  Obviously it wasn't because he couldn't even manage to keep a roster spot on one of the worst teams in the league.