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May 5, 2008 4:31 pm
I guess I'll do it, since Mr. Freeman seems pretty balanced on questions of race - why, oh why, African-America, are your young men so entranced by the gangster lifestyle?  Why can't a millionaire stay home with his family and avoid the local dive where nothing good ever happens?  Why do millionaire African-American consistently fall for the old misinformed adage that money puts you above the law?  "I play for the Colts!  I play for the Colts!" is supposed to keep you from getting dragged off to jail, so some seem to believe. 

Cultural anthropologists call is a 'culture of rebellion' when a group will not conform to norms?  Seems that these young men can't act properly in polite society. 

Oh yes, the brothers won't be brothers if they speak out against their own.  They get the Uncle label. 

Sad state of affairs. 

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EY
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May 5, 2008 7:28 pm

I can't believe so many people get so stuck on race. It is not race that causes these actions. It is more related to socio-economic situations that the people come from. Coming from having very little to being a millionaire would mess with anybody. Seriously, that's a big adjustment. A higher percentage of minorities are lower in the socio-economic classes and that leads to more cases of them being put in these situations. It's not the color of their skin that makes it hard for them (at least not primarily) it is that they often go from being broke to having alot of money and a ton of pressure on them from, friends, family, and football people.

And the media just feeds this perception, I'm not faulting them, it is, afterall, the media's job to drum up interest in stories and by playing up the "black man does something bad" story gets interest because it generates these type of race questions. Please, I'm not saying you are completely wrong in saying race causes this, it may have a small role, I'm not questioning this, just please, take a second and look at the issue deeper before you just say "it's cuz he's black, that dang pigment in their skin makes 'em crazy!" because I don't believe it does.


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May 5, 2008 7:59 pm
Well, that's simplifying it drastically.  I'm not talking entirely about money causing these troubles; I'm talking about a cultural element of African-American society that seems to preclude them from entering mainstream society, embracing its values,etc., instead of emulating a subset of African-American society: the inner-city gansta mentality (even after there is no reason to ever go back to the 'hood' again). 

Is this to say that all, or most, do?  Not at all.  But, there can be no doubt that this happens, chronically, with black guys in college and pro football, and basketball too.  But, you don't hear about this among white players to anywhere near the same degree.  When was the last time you heard of a comparable case of a Chris Henry or a Pacman Jones, one where there is a complete inability to conform at all, even when one's earnings are seriously impaired as a result.  Well, maybe Sebastien Janikowski, but he seems an anomaly, to be truthful. 

The pigment comment - well, that's just insulting to lump me in with the morons.  But, it is clear that there is a cultural element of idolization that is going on that is absolutely ridiculous.  Emulating this aspect of black culture is flat out stupid. 

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UrAjoke
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May 5, 2008 8:56 pm
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May 5, 2008 9:18 pm
why are so many Caucasian men attracted to the PEDOPHILE lifestyle?

businessmen, Priests, Major League baseball players, etc.

please explain why the the other white people sit back and really don't do ANYTHING about these disgusting humans beings as well.

Has even ONE Catholic Priest being jailed for RAPPING a little boy?

You're raising an interesting point. The majority of child molesters are caucasian, but every race has its fair share (based on conviction rates.) And yes they do come from all ranks of society, sadly many from the people we would expect to protect our children (counsellors, scout leaders, priests, teachers.)

But you're entirely wrong when you say that "white people sit back and really don't do ANYTHING." All one has to do to do is to look at statistics for the past 20 years: There are far more reports, far more arrests and convictions leading to more time in prison. SOs (sex offenders) are released from prison to face years of post-release programs (at their own expense), long and sometimes lifetime registration, job and housing restrictions, and a lot of other issues. (Don't take this as any kind of defense of SOs; it's not intended to be and repeat offenders deserve much worse.)

The main point is that NO one white, black, brown or yellow makes these people into heros to be looked up to and immulated (except by there own perverted kind.) NO ONE makes rap music (I pray) about fooking some kid or capping a pig and glorifying in Pedo gangs. EVERYONE, and I include honorable black people in this, wants these animals off the street and ALL our kids safe from preditors.

That, sir, is the difference.


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May 5, 2008 10:50 pm

Don't let the ignorance of some turn this into a race issue. Let that be their own personal demon to bear.

Why should we judge him before we hear him? Many people collect weapons and this is a prized one. He is no more of a threat than a kid with a Jerry Rice rookie card... unless he loads it.


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May 6, 2008 12:13 am
Well, UrAjoke, I guess it's on you this time. 

The misdirection you have attempted is a bit sad, and frankly, ridiculous.  This is what silly people do when they don't want to face up to their culpability in a situation.  One person says, "Hey, you were supposed to clean up your room today," and the silly one replies, "You didn't put the lid down on the toilet last night."  (sorry ladies , but I don't want to rewrite now). A pathetic attempt to re-direct attention so as to relieve oneself of blame.  Maybe your folks fall for that at home, but not here. 

A patently ridiculous attempt to point out a failings of Caucasians isn't at issue here - this is A, not B. 

And to continue with topic A, we can see why sports writers of black descent are unwilling to take other brothers to task for their stupid acts - your response shows, and of course I am assuming you are African-American, your unwillingness to face the issue. 

Yes, I think this is a cultural issue in the black community - one that idolizes gangsters, big-pimpin', and any other aberrant lifestyles.  And it would be one thing if you are stuck there in the hood, trying to survive.  Maybe then I could understand.  These people we speak of, those who have the money to never set foot in that muck again, are the question.  Why do the Chris Henrys, Pacman Jones', Tank Williams', Nate Newtons, and Rae Curruths' of the sports world keep doing this stupid crap? 

And yup, Caucasian males make up the preponderance of serial killers too, before you head down that road.  Yes, we are aware. 

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May 6, 2008 12:21 am
And Reaper, it is a problem, in case you haven't heard. His prized weapon was found to have fired six or seven shots, with casings and bullets found near the scene.  Matched to his prized weapon, I will repeat. 

So, yeah, I'd say that's a problem, whether he did it or had one of his friends do it.   So, it's hardly a collector's item that he keeps locked up in his study. 

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May 6, 2008 9:51 pm
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May 11, 2008 6:31 pm
You're too dumb to even know what racism is.  Racism is the belief that one ethnicity or race is inherently superior to another merely by being a member of that race.  Did I espouse that, simpleton?  Uh, no. 

I was speaking about a subset of African Americans, so racism doesn't apply here, Einstein.  But, was I stereotyping?  Yes, that's the word you're looking for there 'Caveman' - but, I guess I shouldn't expect a caveman like you to actually think. 

Once again, we shy away from the question at hand and point fingers to avail ourselves of a quick escape.  URCoward - can't defeat a problem if you can't talk about it constructively and accept criticism as correct.  Keepin' it real, brother.  Keepin' on pointin' fingers.  Keepin' on duckin' responsibility. 

And, sadly, it is a race issue, and it relates to black athletes.  Not too many other newly made millionaire groups heading back to the hood and shooting folks and other knucklehead activities in the numbers that African-American athletes do...so, why?  Try answering the question, even to yourself.  Come on, be true to yourself, even if not to me. 

MLK is rolling over.... the greatest leader in America since the founding fathers.  Brave and true, and betrayed by his own. 

"I have a dream.  A dream of my people becoming a part of this society and not living on the fringes.  A dream of my people being proud and actin' like gangstas in white-bread America, carrying guns, livin' the dream and slappin' bitches in restaurants, fightin' in bars, having shoot-outs in the street, buyin' 10 or 20 automatic weapons illegally, truckin' bales of pot up the highway in Texas, fathering babies with nine different women, shootin' my babymama, all after making hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars.  Yes,  I have a dream...." 

Yup, I'm just a caveman.  So, we need some black leaders to step up and act like leaders again.  Current crop is too busy pointing fingers. 

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May 11, 2008 6:36 pm
Here's some brave men, UR:

http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/view.php?id=7806

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May 11, 2008 6:39 pm
Did you read it, UR? Kinda cool, huh?  Brave guys with conviction....and not the prison type of conviction.  MLK would be proud, yes? 

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May 11, 2008 6:40 pm
Have you ever read Ralph Ellison's Invisible Man?  This caveman has....

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May 11, 2008 6:55 pm
UR, a white celebrity with a gun!!!!  Finger-pointing material!!!!  See, all cops are evil - even ex-cops.

 I know, I'm being mean - but, I'm not used to being called a caveman. 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080511/en_nm/farina_dc