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The .500 Fallacy


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The .500 Fallacy
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btown_iz_back!
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Since:Apr 23, 2008
May 1, 2008 4:49 pm
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dukefan7
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Since:Jan 30, 2008
May 1, 2008 4:53 pm
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May 1, 2008 4:54 pm
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The .500 Fallacy
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Reputation:97
Level:Superstar
Since:Sep 7, 2006

May 1, 2008 4:57 pm

Ok Btown, which is better 17-12 or 18-11?

 


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Reputation:91
Level:All-Star
Since:Feb 22, 2008

May 1, 2008 5:34 pm
cowboy is right.  i don't know how to say it any simpler than he has already.  but this is a little different way of wording it.  let's take the 78-84 record for a minute.  i think somebody said this earlier.  in order for them to have a .500 record they would have had to win only 3 more games.  because those three wins would have also taken three losses out of the second column.  the ".500" stat is not based on how many games a team must win to get to the .500 mark.  it's ONLY based on games already played.  for this 20-10 record.  the next 5 or 10 games don't factor into their distance from the .500 mark.  the only thing that factors in is the 30 already played.  the reason this team is only five games under .500 is that IF they had won 5 more of their games, that would have also taken 5 losses out of the other column.  so IF they had won 5 more games they would be 15-15.  therefore, they are 5 games away from .500.  get it?

The .500 Fallacy
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Reputation:98
Level:Superstar
Since:Jul 17, 2007

May 1, 2008 5:44 pm
Oh no.....Head exploding with stupidity.....I'm not gonna touch this so called "fallacy"

The .500 Fallacy
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Reputation:91
Level:All-Star
Since:Feb 22, 2008

May 1, 2008 5:45 pm

let's look at this game-by-game.  this 20-10 example.  say they win their next game.  .500 percent of their games would now be 15.5.  11 wins would be 4.5 under the .500 mark AT THAT POINT.  now let's assume they win the next game as well.  .500 is now 16.  12 wins would be 4 games under the .500 mark.  now let's say they lose the next game.  the new .500 mark is 16.5.  so since they are still at 12 wins, they are 4.5 under .500 again.  the people who don't understand this concept are looking at how a team has to perform over their next however many games to make the wins and losses equal.  that's not correct.  FUTURE PERFORMANCE DOES NOT FACTOR IN.  a team's performance UP TO THIS EXACT MOMENT IN TIME is what determines how far from .500 they are. 

"this is how many games they would HAVE to win to GET TO at .500" - incorrect

"this is how many games they would HAVE HAD to win to BE NOW at .500" - correct

 

am i making any sense to y'all?


The .500 Fallacy
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Reputation:92
Level:All-Star
Since:Aug 12, 2006

May 1, 2008 6:13 pm

I neither agree nor disagree.  In fact, even mentioning how many games over or under .500 is irrelevant.

What is important is 1.  The number of games over or under the team above or below your team; or 2.  The percent of your team.

Here is an example of how using under or above games are won:  I'll use hockey.  One team has a record of 1 game won, no games lost, and 10 games tied--Percent is 100%.

Next team has a record of 10 games won, and 1 game lost--Percent is 9.09%

Which team wins the league championship?  First team, of course.


The .500 Fallacy
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Reputation:92
Level:All-Star
Since:Aug 12, 2006

May 1, 2008 6:16 pm

Losing team's percent above is 90.9%.