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Georgia out of conference games - A recap
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Georgia out of conference games - A recap
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What about top teams? Other than Boise beating 11-3 Oklahoma in 2006, when was the last time a mid-major beat a BCS team with 3 or less losses?
First off , no 1-AA team has ever defeated a 3 loss or less 1-A team since 1978 . The best win ever for a FCS team over a FBS team was last year when Appalachian St defeated 9-4 Michigan . Since 1978 , FCS (1-AA) teams have defeated FBS (1-A) teams with a winning record 8 times . The games are as follows :
1978 - Boise St defeated 7-5 San Jose St ( Big West conference )
1980 - Richmond defeated 8-4 Virginia Tech ( independent )
1981 - VMI defeated 7-4 Virginia Tech ( independent )
1990 - Citadel defeated 6-5 South Carolina ( independent )
1993 - Idaho defeated 7-6 Utah ( WAC )
1994 - Idaho defeated 7-5 UNLV ( WAC )
2007 - Delaware defeated 8-5 Navy ( independent )
2007 - Appalachian St defeated 9-4 Michigan ( Big 10 )
The loss by Michigan was the only time in 30 years that a major conference team , with a winning record , lost to a FCS school .
There have been 5 occasions , besides the Boise St -Oklahoma game, in the last 10 years , where a non BCS team defeated a 3 loss or less BCS team . There have also been 9 times where a non BCS team created the 4th loss for a BCS team . The games
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1999 - Cincinnati defeated 10-2 Wisconsin
1999 - Louisiana Tech defeated 10-3 Alabama ( SEC Champion )
2001 - Fresno St defeated 10-3 Colorado ( Big 12 Champion )
2003 - Memphis defeated 10-3 Mississippi
2003 - Northern Illinois defeated 10-3 Maryland
1999 - East Carolina defeated 9-4 Miami
1999 - San Jose St defeated 8-4 Stanford ( PAC 10 Champion )
2000 - TCU defeated 8-4 Northwestern
2003 - Marshall defeated 11-4 Kansas St ( Big 12 Champion )
2004 - New Mexico defeated 8-4 Texas Tech
2004 - Fresno St defeated 8-4 Virginia
2005 - TCU defeated 8-4 Oklahoma
2006 - Boise St defeated 10-4 Oregon St
2007 - Wyoming defeated 9-4 Virginia
It is clear from the record that non BCS FBS schools are a more difficult game than a FCS opponent for BCS schools ..
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Georgia out of conference games - A recap
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Georgia out of conference games - A recap
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So we have to wait till 2015 for UGA to play a decent team? Hopefully Oregon will still be good by then.
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Georgia out of conference games - A recap
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Georgia out of conference games - A recap
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I disagree Devil David,
The difference these days are not clear, clear at all...........at least with the good schools.....
Georgia Southern should have beaten Oregon State a couple of years back, they lost 48-41. They always play tough against Georgia, relatively speaking. There have been some notable upsets and near upsets in recent past by 1-AA teams. The difference between 1-A nd 1-AA is 80% money issues, 20% talent issues (talking about the good 1-AA schools now). Having played 1-A and 1-AA myself, I was able to see those differences..........
Playing at a 1-A school gives you better facilities, better coaches, better strength and conditioning programs, better equipment, more talent when it comes to depth, more press, more opportunities to be seen, more one on one time in the film room........all that! The talent part comes in the depth at each position, because 1-AA teams for the most part simply do not have the resources to recruit solid 4 star, 3 star recruits throughout the roster. But trust me, I played with alot of guys at the 1-AA level that were WAY MORE talented than some of the 1-A players.............
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Georgia out of conference games - A recap
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Georgia out of conference games - A recap
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There have been 5 occasions , besides the Boise St -Oklahoma game, in the last 10 years , where a non BCS team defeated a 3 loss or less BCS team
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So 6 games out of roughly 300. So about a 2% chance. Also, only 1 of those teams was a bad FBS team the year they played 1999 Cincy over Wisconsin. Only 1999 Cincy and 2003 Memphis had not been .500 or better for the 2 years leading up to the year they played.
So a bad FBS team from a mid major has a 1% chance of winning as opposed to 0%.
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Georgia out of conference games - A recap
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Georgia out of conference games - A recap
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Absolutely. Granted - we're talking about a difference in probability of something like 1 in 25 -v- 1 in 100, but absolutely a team with lower-end D1 talent is more likely to beat a good BCS team than a 1AA team. To believe otherwise, don't you have to also believe that that these "lesser" 1A teams are no better than the 1AA teams?
Actually we are talking about 1 in 250 vs 1 in 1,0000. Even for the good mid majors the chances are only 2 to 3 in 100.
Not all bad FBS schools are equal just like not all FCS schools are equal. While in general lower end FBS schools are better than FCS schools, there are A FEW FCS schools that are better than some lower end FBS schools. Just like there are mid major programs that are better than some of the BCS programs.
Appalachain State and Georgia Southern are probably as good as or better than Idaho, Florida International, and Buffalo.
If Appalachain State or Georgia Southern would have played SMU, North Texas, UAB, Florida International, or Idaho's schedule last year, they would have won more games than those teams.
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Georgia out of conference games - A recap
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Georgia out of conference games - A recap
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So we have to wait till 2015 for UGA to play a decent team? Hopefully Oregon will still be good by then. With the best facilities in the nation & uncle Phil's money, they will continue to improve. They are on the threshold of becoming a more consistant national threat. They are 8 & 5 against USC over the past 13 games. Been ranked as high as 2nd in the nation twice in the past 7 years. This will be UGA's best OOC game maybe in history, glad to see the signed a home n home.
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Georgia out of conference games - A recap
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Georgia out of conference games - A recap
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Fo' sho'. I think Oregon is the next super power in college football. With Phil "Nike's" money, they are going to blow up. I wish UGA had New Balance or Converse or something. Oh well, we still have Coke. Coca-Cola too.
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So 6 games out of roughly 300. So about a 2% chance. Also, only 1 of those teams was a bad FBS team the year they played 1999 Cincy over Wisconsin. Only 1999 Cincy and 2003 Memphis had not been .500 or better for the 2 years leading up to the year they played.
PH - what's 6 games out of 300? You lost me here...
Actually we are talking about 1 in 250 vs 1 in 1,0000. Even for the good mid majors the chances are only 2 to 3 in 100.
Where are you coming up with this? TCU, a good mid-major, wins only 2% of its games against good BCS teams? BYU? BSU? S. Miss? Fresno State? Am I not understanding you?
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Georgia out of conference games - A recap
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Georgia out of conference games - A recap
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PH - what's 6 games out of 300? You lost me here...
In the last 10 years there have only been 6 games where a mid-major beat a BCS team that lost 3 or less games. This includes Boise St. win over Oklahoma in the bowl. BCS teams finished the season with 3 or less losses 165 times over the past 10 years.
On average BCS teams have played just under 2 mid majors a season. I didn't count to get the exact number for those 165 times, but it is pretty safe to assume the number is around 300, in fact, I would guess it is a little higher than 300.
6 out of 300 is 2%.
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