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Do you like the Yankees' decision to start the season with Joba Chamberlain in the bullpen?
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So, the Yankees finally announced their decison today. Well, yesterday now. Anyway, I really like it. And I'd love to see Joba Chamberlain stay in the bullpen all year. Here's my rationale.
* Though he wouldn't eat up as many innings for the Yankees as if he were in the rotation, in the bullpen Joba could have an impact on many more games.
* Even with a small history to go on, he was definitely not as dominant last year after he got four-five outs. And with the caveat that I know Spring Training shouldn't count, he hasn't exactly been dominant as a starter this spring.
* With today's era of starting pitchers going fewer innings, the bullpen is so important to hold and/or save games. How many teams place little importance on the bullpen only to have it come back to bite them throughout the season and into October?
* With the Yankees' possible projected rotation of Chien-Ming Wang, Andy Pettitte, Mike Mussina, Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy, the team isn't assured to have depth from its starters. Wang and Pettitte are likely to eat innings, but Mussina, though I love his overall career, can be inconsistent with how many innings he gets through the last year or two. And two young arms equals likely inning restrictions.
So there's my two cents. Thoughts out there?
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Keep him in the bullpen only if the Yankees are able to pull off a trade for Rich Harden or sign C.C. Sabathia in free-agency. Also, Francisco Rodriguez will hit free-agency at the same time too, so if the Yankees trade for Harden and sign F-Rod, along with Mark Teixeira, now they have all the tools to have a dangerous team all-around. F-Rod would be the new closer after Mariano retires and Chamberlain would be a bona-fide number 1 or 2 starter in the rotation with Phillip Hughes, Ian Kennedy, Chien-Ming Wang, and Andy Pettitte. Mike Mussina likely will retire after this year if New York wins the World Series (which they have as good chance as anyone to win it). If Chamberlain is moved to the rotation, he should trim himself down 15 or 20 pounds, less pressure on his lower-back and knees, also would benefit him in endurance in scorching-hot games and over the course of 30 starts+ for years. He has the make-up to be another Mike Scott or Dwight Gooden, figures to be something special Joba Chamberlain.
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Of course he should be in the bullpen.
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NO I believe in an earlier post I had mentioned a six man rotation and thats what they should have done gone to a six man rotation the only way i see him comming out of the pen in say the middle of the year and becoming a starter is 1 if the moose can't cut it anymore and 2 if Humberto Sanchez is ready to pictch appartly he has blazing fastball as well
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skywalker225 IT'S NICE TO HEAR FROM YOU AGAIN. I THINK WE SHOULD LET HUMBERTO HAVE THE SEASON OFF AND NOT RUSH HIM BACK.
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Yeah CARR, I sure don't want to take a chance that he could get hurt again. But I sure would like to see what he has. I mean if everything goes the way we want it to we will have a really good starting rotation real soon.
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Hey Carrick i am making a comeback! I just feel that if they put him in the pen its a waste of his Talent he has what it takes to be an Ace I have always said if he stays in the pen i'd rather trade him to a team that would make him a starter i know i crazy. I just don't quite understand how they will get him into the rotation later on in the season barring injury the only way he gets in is if Moose flops. If he has to stay in Pen all year i'll hate it but you would figure after this year moose will be gone so that will be Joba's spot next year then the year after that Pettitte will be gone so you'll have to figure that'll be Horne's or Bettance spot
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Keep Joba in the pen. He will continue to be light out in short stints and even if Moose or Pettite deal with injuries this year we should use Karstens instead of Joba. He will help us more if he has one role to worry about. After the season he needs to get stretched out and be ready for the 3rd or 4th spot in the rotation behind Wang,Hughes,and maybe kennedy. Karstens will end up being our 5th unless Hank wants to make a splash and get a starter via free agency as we head into the new ballpark. If not, we will have no one older than 26 in the rotation next year. We will either be set for a decade or in trouble.
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Go with a six man rotation! Get Joba out of the bullpen as soon as possible! This guy has the stuff to be a starter. Yes, he has two dominant pitches, but he also has a quality changeup and curveball. I know he argument that we will have one less person in our bullpen, but Mike Mussina, Andy Pettitte, and Chien-Ming Wang all drop their ERA by a point on an extra days rest. How many extra innings does that account for? Instead of going 5 1/2 innings a start, how about 7 1/3. I think the upside to a six man rotation is great.
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So, the Yankees finally announced their decison today. Well, yesterday now. Anyway, I really like it. And I'd love to see Joba Chamberlain stay in the bullpen all year. Here's my rationale.
* Though he wouldn't eat up as many innings for the Yankees as if he were in the rotation, in the bullpen Joba could have an impact on many more games.
* Even with a small history to go on, he was definitely not as dominant last year after he got four-five outs. And with the caveat that I know Spring Training shouldn't count, he hasn't exactly been dominant as a starter this spring.
* With today's era of starting pitchers going fewer innings, the bullpen is so important to hold and/or save games. How many teams place little importance on the bullpen only to have it come back to bite them throughout the season and into October?
* With the Yankees' possible projected rotation of Chien-Ming Wang, Andy Pettitte, Mike Mussina, Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy, the team isn't assured to have depth from its starters. Wang and Pettitte are likely to eat innings, but Mussina, though I love his overall career, can be inconsistent with how many innings he gets through the last year or two. And two young arms equals likely inning restrictions.
So there's my two cents. Thoughts out there?
Very well put, warplanegirl, and I agree for the most part. This topic has been discussed all over the place, so I'm going to be repeating a lot of stuff here.
First, Kennedy isn't likely to have innings restrictions, and all indications point to him being able to pitch well into games. His control is excellent which makes him economical with his pitches. He also has above average strikeout ability. Hughes, on the other hand, will most definitely have innings restrictions. He pitched 146 innings in '06, and they were supposed to stretch him out to 160 last season, but he got injured which killed that plan. They're talking about a max of 175 for him this year which is the same as they want for Joba.
I don't think Joba should stay in the pen the whole year because his repertoire consists of 2 excellent pitches and 2 above average pitches. That's starter material. I realize he showed signs of tiring after longer outings, but this can be fixed through proper training. I believe they decided to start him in the pen for 2 reasons. #1, it's part of their plan to limit his innings. If they started him out in the rotation, he'd be finished before he started with his innings restrictions. Their plan is to send him down to the minors halfway through the season to stretch out his arm, and then use him in the rotation. I think they'll swap him for Hughes at that point who'll go to the pen. The #2 reason is a lack of a proven entity among their relievers. I do think there's one out there who'll step up, but until then, they only have Joba.
Where a player plays isn't just about his talent. It's about where his talent best helps the team.
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keep joba in the pen Forever! look at paplebon for the sox thats what we could have in joba with mo becoming less and less rivera like each year maybe joba moves into that role within a couple years we do have depth but it's just questionable can we give up on iwaga after one year and their is karstens and pavano
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I agree chick except that I think that Kennedy would go to the pen instead of hughes. And of course Joba will eventually be a starter full time but if we have to wait till after the all star break then so be it. Joba should be a starter in my opion and if one of our starters should falter joba can pick up the pieces. Joba may seen to get tired in late innings but the more innings he pitches the better his stamina will be
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I would like to see Humberto Sanchez groomed for the role of closer. He has the potential to be a great closer along with a question mark on his ability to throw a lot of innings. I would hate to see a potentially great starter playing in only 70 innings a year. I know how important the closer role is, but I would rather take he chance that Joba becomes a perennial 15-18 game winner for the Yankees. Our starting pitching has been such a vulnerability this decade and the Yankees have been given the chance to fix it!
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I disagree, NY Fan, Kennedy's not going to be able to go to the pen since Hughes' innings limit will likely be up. A starter in the rotation full time usually pitches around 30 games a season. Multiply that by 6 innings each which isn't even enough, and Hughes is at 180 which is more than they want. They have no reason to limit Kennedy and every reason to limit Hughes.
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KentDav, I'd like to see them give Humberto Sanchez the year off to recover from surgery unless he makes a remarkable recovery. He does have closer stuff, but so do Melancon and Cox. It'll be interesting to see who winds up as Mo's successor. I don't think it'll be Joba like some people favor. My money's on Melancon.
Don't forget Ohlendorf came up as a starter and has really good stuff. He has more seasoning, and they could always convert him.
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