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Dude I gotta stop you right there. Georgetown a better team defensively than Wisconsin? Wisconsin forces even the best teams to play physical, and when the opponent can't handle it, foul trouble ensues (Mi St., Texas, Indiana). Seems the only team that had an answer against WI this year has been Purdue (the Duke game was a fluke; every team gets one a year). The stats give WI the edge in nearly every defensive category. I like Georgetown and it's fun to watch them play their style of physical defense, but a WI/Georgetown matchup gives the UW a slight edge. Good luck on your brackets man, it's all about momentum.
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Wow. I've never gotten lower ratings on posts than on this one. Must be some rapid badgers out there.
Wisconsin did get screwed. They deserve a number 2 seed over Duke. They also got screwed in who they play. USC and KSU are very good teams (thought I bet Wisconsin fans are happy they're not playing Purdue again). They have a tough road, but they can do it. Duke is the team they should have gotten the two seed from, and as a consequence, Wisconsin has a tougher road.
However, i think it is flawed to say Wisconsin is better defensively. Georgetown has been the leader in FG% defense all year, and has held a number of high flying, high scoring teams to lower scores. Not taking anything away from Wisconsin's defense, but Georgetown has probably shut down better competition during the regular season.
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I think they should have been a 2 definatley not a 1, but the 2 seed din't work for them last year so maybe 3 is lucky for them this year. I do think though if it was Ohio St., Indiana, or Mich St. that won the big ten this year they would have definatley been a 1 or 2 seed. For some reason the Badgers always get screwed in polls in both football & basketball compared to the other big ten teams listed above. As for someone that posted they got killed by duke that is true, but they had a quality win vs Texas at Texas which is the team they should have replaced in the 2 spot.
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I'm not here to make Duke's case for a 2 seed, but, well maybe I am, but if you look at their losses (Pitt - Big East Tourn. Winner, Wake Forest - fluke, UNC - #1 team in the country, Miami - solid tournament team, & Clemson - in semis of ACC tournament and a 5 seed in NCAA tourn.) Those are not all that bad...Wisconsin, plays in the Big Ten, got their ass beat by Duke (head to head worked against you) and other than Texas, Wisconsin really had no BIG wins. (Big Ten wins don't count as far as I'm concerned) Duke beat UNC and Wisconsin, that means, they get the higher seed than Wisconsin. It's that simple.
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And anyone who says WIsconsin should be a 2 instead of Texas is out of their GD mind! Did you watch the Kansas/Texas game? Or were you being lulled to sleep by the Wisconsin game yesterday? Texas, at this point in the season, would obliterate Wisconsin. Wisconsin, maybe a 2 seed, but not over Texas and not over Duke. Over Georgetown? Maybe. Over Tennessee? No. There are just a lot of good teams this year and the Big Ten is WAY down.
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Since:Mar 17, 2008
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Okay, I agree that there is no way Cal State Fullerton should beat Wisconsin, but, if a 14 is going to beat a 3, its going to be a 14 with a veteran line up that can shoot it, which Fullerton is. Their starting 5 are all transfers, most of them cast-offs from better D1 programs, and they've got guys who are 22-24 years old. All this whining about which seed the Badgers received amounts to nothing more than a lot of looking ahead. Don't look so far ahead that you fail to take care of business...
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The Big Ten and ACC only got 4 teams in. The Big ten doesnt deserve that much love, look who was playing in the second of the semifinal games- Minnesota vs Illinois. they only have four ranked teams and three of them are in the twentys. I have a problem with texas ahead of the badgers. I know they play in a tougher conference but the Badgers beat them in Texas and have a better record.
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bnussdor don't worry about your score, you'll be at the Superstar level in no time. I've followed your post "Georgetown fan reaction part x" for a while and they're always right on! When I've missed the game, I caught you post and felt like I had an accurate breakdown of the game.
I to think the Badge got screwed with a 2. I thought they were going to drop the Hoyas to a 3 since most people felt they were more lucky than good all year. However, IMO, if Gtown did get dropped to a 3 I was hoping the 2 in our bracket was Wisconsin.
I'm sorry, I just don't feel they are an elite team. I see people here talking about their defense and how they would be favored over Gtown in a slower paced game. These are people who obivously have not seen enough of Gtown play.
The Hoyas will slow the place down but don't be fooled in thinking they're a slow pace team. They have tremendous atheletes (Ewing & Summers come to mind) that can play at any pace if neccessary (see UNC/Gtown regional final last year Nova/Gtown BE tourney this year).
I like the Hoyas comfortably over the Badge if they get far. Watch out for OJ Mayo...you have no answer for him Badger fan. Flowers? LOL are you kidding me, OJ Mayo is a pro playing at the college level.
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After the top 6, which is UNC, Memphis, UCLA, KU, Texas and Tennessee in some order (depending on your bias) it gets a little shaky.
Im not sure if Wisconsin and Georgetown shouldnt get their seeds changed. Georgetown was the beneficiary of some very bogus officiating more than once this season and they didnt win their conf tournament. Granted, Tennessee didnt either, but Tenns resume is so much stronger than G-town.
I think the Big East getting 8 teams in is a joke. After the top 4 teams in that conference, the rest would barely if even finish .500 in any of the Big 12, ACC, or Pac 10. Yet they send more teams than any of those conferences? I dont care if you have 16 teams in your league, if 12 of them are average, then 12 of them shouldnt go.
Duke was getting a 2 seed folks. It sucks that they get it based on name but Coach K is a great tournament coach and they did manage to screw Duke out West. I know people think the West is easy, but as long as the NCAA knuckleheads keep UCLA from having to play in another timezone, the West will remain difficult. Id like to see UCLA win some games outside of a 500 mile radius of LA.
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I won't worry when UW faces teams with lots of star power. Bucky has done well against that type of team all year. It's balanced teams with multiple perimeter threats that beat UW. That said I'm much more concerned about USC than K-state. K-state must get someone other than Beasley going or they're in huge trouble. I think that UW has an advantage over USC in terms of experience, toughness and frontcourt size, but USC has all those big guards that might cause trouble for UW. Nonetheless I see UW pulling even or pulling away late in the game against USC. It's what Bucky does; they are scary good at closing out games. USC will probably have foul trouble or an injury or two by then, anyway.
I'm intrigued by what I see in Cal state-fullerton. Of course I haven't seen their games, but the stats and the roster suggest that they are a bunch of speedsters: they score 82 points/game, get nine steals, and put up lots of shots. They are also TINY! As far as I can see, they play three 5'11" guards and no starter is taller than 6'5''. It should be a huge clash of styles, but if CSUF can't play perfect transition offense it's over. Only Duke has been successful in transition against the Badgers all year.
I dunno who to favor in a UW/Georgetown matchup, but I must respectfully disagree with Mr. Jansjay when he says the Hoyas will win comfortably. There will be nothing comfortable about this game. It's gonna be a mudder. UW has the bigs to contain Hibbert and the quickness to defend the perimeter. They also have the swing, which the Hoyas have never seen before. In a close game against evenly matched teams, I'll take my hometown favorite. Sue me.
Any of these teams will have big trouble against Kansas, except for one thing: I believe Bill Self is a poor tournament coach. WHOA. STOP. I didn't say he's a bad coach, he's a great coach; but he's successful because he gets great players and keeps them happy. Give him an unfamiliar opponent and three days to prepare, however, and he's in over his head. That's who he was at Illinois and that's what he is now at Kansas. The coaches at UW, Georgetown, and USC are gonna out-gameplan him six ways to Sunday. I'd have to favor Kansas in any matchup in their bracket, but it isn't a done deal for them.
So I'd say that Bucky makes the sweet sixteen, probably the elite eight, possibly the final four. If you don't agree, fine. Badger fans are really, really used to having their teams underestimated, and the players and coaches don't care what you or I think. I'd say disrespect just helps them win.
Good Luck in The NCAA's!
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As a KU fan I respectfully disagree about Self as a tourney coach Buckball. While its true he has not gotten past the Elite 8 in his tenure at KU or anywhere else, he did manage to take Tulsa to the elite 8. Now, that in itself is a great acoomplishment, particularly considering that Tulsa he didnt have the luxury of recruiting talent like he does at KU or even Illinois even. How do you get players to go to Tulsa over such bigger name, better conference schools? Because you are good at recruiting and good at coaching.
Last year we should have made the FF but didn't. It didnt help that we had to play in the 2 seed's home state, but more importantly, Self didnt get outcoached in that game, Afflalo just didn't miss even toughly contested long range three point shots. Bucknell and Bradley aside, Self has done a remarkable job at getting his teams ready for the tourney. Granted, the two first round losses hurt, not only the program's image, but also the perception in the mass media's eyes that we are a choke team, but he was also working with players recruited by Roy Williams that did not buy into his system of play.
Im not making excuses per say, those first round losses hurt but Bradley was definately underseeded. They knocked off us then Iowa State who was a higher seed than us and made it to the sweet sixteen.
Last year, with only his recruits, Self managed to get to the EE again. This year, Its FF or bust. I like Wisconsin in that they are a tough out (though that style of basketball sucks balls), but I dont see them overtaking the depth of KU who can defeat you inside and out. Take away the interior with zone and KU beats you outside. Take away the perimiter with great man defense and KU kills you inside.
And defensively they are the second best team in the country behind Wisconsin and the best with adjusted defense.
Regardless, while this region may not be as tough as the East or (IMO) the South, itdoes hold some of the best potential games in the whole tourney.
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Mr Buckyball you have the right to disagree and I respect your opinion. I'm not sure what "the swing" is so hopefully a Badger fan can enlighten me.
One thing you should know Mr. Bucky is that Gtown is like 5-0 in games decided by 3 points or less. If there are two things that I'm comfortable in saying it is that:
- Gtown is good at winning close games (see stat above)
- Gtown is the best defensive team in the country (36% opponent field goal percent, 1st in the nation)
When I say win comfortably, I didn't mean Gtwon was going to blow the Badge out I just think they're going to pull away towards the end. If the Badge had played in the BE they probably would have finished 4th behind ND and ahead of UConn. Two teams Gtown beat this year - one close one rather handly. The Wisconsin/Gtown matchup will fall somewhere in between those two.
Just my opinion.
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yea but umm neitzel whos a senior for mich state. we defended him pretty well and hes way better then mayo and beasly..wheres nebreska man?
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Brother - I'm as big a Badger fan as you'll find, but Texas deserves their spot ahead of the Badgers. Regardless of the head to head matchup, Texas has a stronger body of work than the Badgers. No fault of Bucky, Texas just plays in a deeper conference and had wins against Tennessee and on the road at UCLA. That's pretty impressive stuff.
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