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"Pollhater"
Though you do have some good points to you're post I saw the draft (USAF 1964-68) the what it managed to accomplish . . . the original poster is correct: As for the size of the military, the only way to enlarge the force is through the hated draft. Most people don't feel the sense of duty that our forefathers did, and will not enlist for love of Country.
Not true. What it takes is a combination of things. The Army met it's increased goal in 2006 by increasing enlistment bonuses, and making slight compromises in standards. (ie excepting more people without a HS diploma).
Don't you see that in posting this you in part agree? . . . LOWERING STANDARDS is how the Army met it's "so-called" goal yet it is far from the numbers in uniform when I served and far to few to meet the increses demands around the globe . . . it will get worse !!!
There are other things that could be done. For instance, granting citizenship to illegal aliens who speak English and serve 5 years in the Armed Forces. Go back to the Army or Jail choice for nonviolent criminals.
Sounds like something I'd expect to come from France . . . let someone else "fight your battles" . . . your second point might be good enough for Holllywood (The Dirty Dozen), but, if we love this Country then we'll fight for the land we love . . . would you ask your neighbor to fight to keep your property and your wife and kids safe or would you do it yourself ???
But the real key is MONEY. Up military pay and benefits and people will join. Imagine a starting salary of $30,000 a year plus room & board, and free health care for someone straight out of HS or someone who has a child with a medical condition.
is it ??? . . . mabe for some, but, to me it would be for love of Country . . . listen to these words . . .ALL OF THEM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKCVS57j284
The problem with this, is we can't afford it unless we cut back on spending or rescend the tax cuts on the wealthy. The government is fine with asking the current military members to sacrifice more, but they aren't willing to ask the rest of the country to sacrifice and share the burden.
You see your every idea is to shirk your personal responsibility and refer to the responsibilty of war as the GOVERNMENT'S . . . "THIS IS YOUR LAND AND MY LAND . . . PERIOD" so, though you do have points that might increase the size of our Military force in the short run each of your points lacks personal commitment . . .
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"GaDawg94"
Please dont Quote that fruitcake again......it just ruins the thread...She only changed her mind when things got tuff,
GREAT RESPONSE . . . ABSOLUTELY TRUE . . .
Thats a great background for our next President!!!!!!!
Though I know you meant it in jest . . . she will NEVER BE PRESIDENT. . . who wants to follow a SKIRT into battle ??? . . .
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What I find the most disgusting is when I hear people that not only never served, but don't know anybody that's currently on duty say things like, our men and women don't believe in their mission, that our troops are serving in vain and don't want to be there, or that Bush had no right to start this conflict. I and just about every male on both sides of my family have served on active duty to some capacity. This includes every combat action of the 20th century except Grenada. I have talked to scores of family and friends that have served in the current conflict in both Afghanistan and Iraq. And to a man, every one of them believes in the mission.
Absolutely right "Ike31" . . . listen to this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=s-qBJwjSKA8&search=Murtha
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however, we live in a democracy, and if the majority (50% +1) of people want us out, then I accept that as part of being an American...Think of who is conducting thease polls......MAINSTREAM MEDIA!!!!!!!
you are correct, however, I wasn't speaking of polls...democracy doesn't come from a telephone poll....it comes from a voting booth.
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Sorry, but most of the troops do not support the mission. Look at the polling of military families which has always been an accurate representation of the belief's of soldiers. They mirror the general public, which does not support this little misadventure. Just because you family and friends support the mission does not mean the troops do. I am a fourteen year veteran. I have been on active duty. I am currently in the National Guard. I have been an NCO and an officer. In my experience, most soldiers I have come across that are willing to speak for or against do not support it. Unfortunately, most soldiers do not have the courage to speak up for fear of reprisal from our less ethical or moral peers. You are attempting to generalize all soldiers based on your unsubstantiated assumptions. Please refrain from doing so, it is insulting. Our troops are serving and dying in vain in support of a travesty that never should have been allowed to happen. Iraq was never a threat and most people know this, soldiers, airmen and sailors alike. If you support the mission, you can not support the troops.
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We went to war to protect our Country, to remove a tyrant who was practicing genocide, and to prevent another safe haven for terrorist to work out of and to train for direct attacks on our Country. You can believe what you want, but the facts don't back up anything that you espouse.You REALLY stupid enough to believe and espouse this garbage???
We didnt go into Iraq to defend anything in THIS country. Neither Iraq nor Saddam Hussein was even the remotest threat to America, and weren't valid threats to any other country.
It is hard to believe that you are calling someone else stupid then posting this load of crap as if it were legitimate!
Hussein was no threat to anyone?
- 8-year war against Iran (yes we supported him...the Ayatollah is the greater threat)
- invaded Kuwait; stole everything of value and ordered the torture of anyone who resisted
- gave $25k dollars to anyone who strapped a bomb to themselves and killed Israelis
- gassed his own population (Kurds)
- publicly stated that he was pursuing WMD's (we now know he was posturing, but he did say it)
As for removing tyrants who practice genocide, I don't see Dubya or any other right-winger doing or saying anything about what is happening in Sudan.
and it is the "liberals" who said we should never have gone into Iraq without the consent of the UN...tell me, oh knowledgeable one, which organization is leading the way in stabilizing the Darfur region?
that's right, your precious UN...they are so completely inept that they couldn't prevent the food shipments from being hi-jacked before they got to the refugee camps (stolen by the Janjaweed militia) and had to ask the assistance of the all-powerfull nations of the African Union help them get the food through.
those same people (yourself included?) that wanted UN approval before entering Iraq are now calling for the US to "help" the UN, because it can't even deliver food!
I have traveled to a number of poor countries in Asia, Africa, and South America...perhaps you should visit a few third-world countries yourself...it would open your eyes.
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(Active 84-92; Reserve 94-02)
Of course you can support the troops and still consider them being utilized in an immoral manner objectionable. Dissent is the cornerstone of our democracy, and saying otherwise is un-American.
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Sounds like something I'd expect to come from France . . . let someone else "fight your battles" . . .
No, it is something you do instead of Amnesty. France's foreign legion is more of a mercenary force. My 5 years of service for citizenship is an " earned path to citizenship". We have done it in our history especially with people from the Phillipines.
your second point might be good enough for Holllywood (The Dirty Dozen),
Once again, this is another thing we have done in our history. I served with people who had the jail or military option. It wasn't available when I joined, but some of the crustier staff and gunnery seargents I served with had come in that way. It's not dirty dozen type people because I specified NON-VIOLENT offenders.
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