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We can go undefeated 08 pretty easily i think, which should lead to a BCS game and if we win that, looks like we could contend for a NC in 09
not to likely but still, what do you think
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The '08 season is still too far away for me to say going undefeated is going to be easy, and even once it gets here I don't think I will. At Washington will be tough; UCLA stands a good chance at maybe landing Norm Chow for their OC, which would make them extremely tough; We only beat TCU by 5 this year; and the Utah win was a miracle 4th and 18 away from turning into an ugly loss. New Mexico wasn't all that easy of a win either, but they'll be coming to Provo. The schedule lays out decently (remember both TCU and Utah are away games this year), but you won't hear me calling the '08 season easy.
BUT, I do agree with you on '09. Our defense is going to be extremely young this year, but in '09 we'll return all 11 starters. Add to that all the studs on offense will be juniors and mostly seniors, and '09 is looking pretty sweet. That being said, if BYU manages to go undefeated in '08 and win a BCS game, there's little doubt in my mind they'd be considered national title contenders in '09. If they don't go undefeated in '08, then we'll merely be talking about trying to reach that BCS busting goal for the third year in a row.
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yeah, but next year we will still have a pretty explosive offense.
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Looking at the offensive side of the ball, I really like our chances of going undefeated. But... &nbs p; ...then I look at how our defense got exploited this year (Tulsa) and then look at who we have returning (hardly any starters) next year. That worries me. I know we'll have an offense to give any scoreboard a workout, but will our defense keep the other team in check next year?
There's no question that next year will be fun, but I'll watch the games one at a time.
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i hope tulsa game was just an abberation, i don't wanna take anything away from the hurricane though, they are not a powerhouse, they have a wac-like defence, but they can definitely beat on a team that is unprepared for them. byu was an example of being unprepared.
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I think it is fair to say that the 2009 team is shaping up to be an even better team than the 2008 team looks like right now.
However, remember that going in to the 2007 season, the big question mark was how could BYU replace all of the seniors on offense? How did that work out for us? Now the big question is how can BYU replace all of the seniors on defense? Maybe the questions are being asked by the same people, who knows?
It does makes me chuckle a little bit. Remember, Bronco is trying to build a strong program, not just strong teams. The transition on defense in the 2008 season will go a long way to showing where he is on that process. I think BYU will be just fine next year. BCS? I don't know. But they should be no worse overall than in 2007.
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The UCLA game just got tougher. They were able to work out a deal with Norm Chow. Just like that, we have to worry about being able to stop their offense.
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What is BYU's out of conference schedule? I can't find it anywhere...
Is the UCLA game at home?
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Northern Iowa
at Washington
UCLA
at Utah State
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O come on nonbcs unprepared. Thats what everyone says when they get there buts kicked. 55-47 i would say it was more like both teams defence suck and Tulsa's offence is just a little better. Tulse has a good OC. I think some day soon Gus malzhan will be a Head coach somewhere.
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O come on nonbcs unprepared. Thats what everyone says when they get there buts kicked. 55-47 i would say it was more like both teams defence suck and Tulsa's offence is just a little better. Tulse has a good OC. I think some day soon Gus malzhan will be a Head coach somewhere.
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well mr. sooner, tulsa game was the only time that byu gave up so many points. cougars held everyone else to less than 30 points... 5 teams were held to 10 points or less. i am not saying that byu has the best defence in the world but the tulsa game looks like an aberration despite hurricane's potent offence.
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Well thats true nonbcs BYU defence did avg. holding other teams to 18 points a game. I guess it could of been one of those days they just did not have enough for tulsa defence wise. they both had it going on offence look at the points.
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the way this program recruits we will have just fine replacements on D. there are still a couple spots on the secondary i'm concerned about
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thats one thing mr. sooner, i know you post plenty on wac boards but this is mwc... and mwc teams actually play defence pretty well... look at utah, byu, tcu, new mexico... these teams know how to play defence, not top notch like georgia or auburn, but much better than wac or mac teams. much better!
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nonbcs,
When you are talking about the WAC in general I would have to agree. However, Boise State does know how to play very well on defense so your generalization doesn't ring true:
Year Avg Points Against
2002 20.33
2003 15.23
2004 24.00
2005 22.58
2006 15.83
2007 19.83 (includes a four overtime game which set the record for most points scored in a NCAA Div 1a game)
Average: 19.63
Same stretch for BYU:
Year Avg Points Against
2002 27.75
2003 25.83
2004 26.82
2005 29.25
2006 14.42
2007 18.75
Average: 23.80
Take into account the difference in SOS from year to year and I'd say they are about even (arguably the best teams in each conference).
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Well nonbcsfan i can't say if BYU did real good in recruiting over all, but it doesn't look bad. I seen where BYU got one hell of a kicker, they only return 7 of 88 kickoffs and holds the states record for the longest field goal of 62 yds. Sorenson must have been hiding from schools.
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well cran, decided to visit the troll hideout at the byu board... good for you.... well boise does have one of wac's best defences... true... however, i love the fact that you are comparing a 5 year stretch where boise st won 5 titles to a 5 year stretch where byu has had some of the worst football seasons in it's history... i love it cran! granted not all byu's seasons were bad between 2002 and 2007 but nevertheless...
i am actually surprised that the difference between the two is only 4 points.
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Hey, give Boise some credit where credit is due. They played great defense in '06, and like BYU, played decent defense in '07.
Contrary to revisionist history, BYU has historically produced good defensive units about once every five years. I think that will change with Mendenhall at the helm, but history is history. BYU was historically awful against the run, and only somewhat decent against the pass. Like I said, there were years when the defense was good, like in '96 and several of the '80's years. But I believe Marshall Faulk had his three best college games against BYU.
But, the MWC teams as a whole are working hard to change their image from when they were in the WAC. UNM has become known for defense, as well as Utah. TCU is known for good defense. Wyoming usually plays decent defense in Laramie. They're our league's Hawai'i. Good at home, bad on the road. AFA, SDSU, CSU, and UNLV are not known for defense, with the latter three not known for much of anything at the moment.
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